[ENOG discuss] Anti-Shutdown-01

Max Tulyev maxtul at netassist.ua
Thu Apr 20 21:31:05 CEST 2017


hey, where did you get human rights there???

On 12.04.17 10:35, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:
> Volodya,
> 
> Only about approach and principals.
> To my mind, the profesional activity of RIR it's something other than
> activity against violation human rights
> And if someone from the human rights fighters will wants to tell us what
> to do and how to react to the some facts?
> Or I didn't understood somethings?
> 
> Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 10:04:19 AM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> 	Dmitry,
> your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia,
> actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support
> sanctions for this.
> But this proposal is about how to deal with *attacks*. There are,
> actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last
> years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options
> were chosen.
> In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody violates
> human rights (even if local government don't think so) or attacks
> Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on this.
> Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we can and
> there is no place for inactivity and passive observation.
> Thanks.
> On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
> 
> 	We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
> 
> 
> On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
> 
> 	Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very
> interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I
> consider human rights abuses.
> Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand
> and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 	On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan <tigran at tigran.am>
> <mailto:tigran at tigran.am>wrote:
> 
> Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против
> конкретных правительств.
> 
> 
> вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov <dburk at burkov.aha.ru>
> <mailto:dburk at burkov.aha.ru>:
> Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck -
> очень плохая идея и то - что
> 
> я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
> 
> 	Всем привет!
> 
> В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
> 
> https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01
> 
> 
> 13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a
> government that is either total or partial:
>   For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC
> will allocate no resources to the government of the country
>   This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that
> have direct provable relationships with said government.
>   In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist
> or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above.
>   All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the
> referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
> 
> 13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in
> a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned
> entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall
> occur for a period of 5 years.
> 
> Ждем реакции сообщества.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kind regards,
> Sergey Myasoedov
> 
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