[ENOG discuss] Anti-Shutdown-01

Max Tulyev maxtul at netassist.ua
Thu Apr 20 21:29:52 CEST 2017


Victor,

if you read the proposal carefully - there is nothing about a human
rights. It is about limiting the Internet access only.

If some goverment limit the Internet - Internet will limit that
goverment. Seems legit.

On 12.04.17 10:10, Victor Belov wrote:
> Volodymyr,
> 
> With all my support for this idea (penalties for those trying to disturb
> Internet operations for whatever reasons, governments or not) I don’t
> think RIRs are the right entity to make decisions if somebody violates
> human rights.
> There are plenty of entities in the world in charge of making such
> decisions already, efficient or not. So if we really want to add
> something of that kind to RIR rules, it should be straight forward
> technical wise, not political wise or human rights wise, or whatever
> else wise…
> 
> Best regards,
> Victor Belov
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Volodymyr Litovka <doka.ua at gmail.com
> <mailto:doka.ua at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Dmitry,
> 
>     your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia,
>     actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not
>     support sanctions for this.
> 
>     But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There are,
>     actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize.
>     Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd
>     options were chosen.
> 
>     In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody
>     violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or
>     attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on
>     this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we
>     can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation.
> 
>     Thanks.
> 
>     On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
>>     We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
>>
>>
>>     On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
>>>     Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very
>>>     interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of
>>>     what I consider human rights abuses.
>>>     Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they
>>>     stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>     On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan <tigran at tigran.am>
>>>>     <mailto:tigran at tigran.am> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это
>>>>     против конкретных правительств.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov <dburk at burkov.aha.ru>
>>>>     <mailto:dburk at burkov.aha.ru>:
>>>>     Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good
>>>>     luck -
>>>>     очень плохая идея и то - что
>>>>
>>>>     я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
>>>>>     Всем привет!
>>>>>
>>>>>     В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил.
>>>>>     Необычное.
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01
>>>>>     <https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the
>>>>>     order of a government that is either total or partial:
>>>>>        For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown
>>>>>     – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the
>>>>>     country
>>>>>        This also applies to all government owned entities and
>>>>>     entities that have direct provable relationships with said
>>>>>     government.
>>>>>        In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall
>>>>>     not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the
>>>>>     entities above.
>>>>>        All sub-allocations of space within said country involving
>>>>>     the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12
>>>>>     months.
>>>>>
>>>>>     13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such
>>>>>     shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the
>>>>>     aforementioned
>>>>>     entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities
>>>>>     shall occur for a period of 5 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Ждем реакции сообщества.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     -- 
>>>>>     Kind regards,
>>>>>     Sergey Myasoedov
>>>>>
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