[ENOG discuss] Anti-Shutdown-01

Dmitry Burkov dburk at burkov.aha.ru
Wed Apr 12 13:31:29 CEST 2017


Vlad - you have a great opportunity to go to ALAC in ICANN which is 
looks like a more proper place to discuss these issues.


Best regards,

Dima


On 4/12/17 10:21 AM, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:
> Victor,
>
> On 4/12/17 10:10 AM, Victor Belov wrote:
>> With all my support for this idea (penalties for those trying to 
>> disturb Internet operations for whatever reasons, governments or not) 
>> I don’t think RIRs are the right entity to make decisions if somebody 
>> violates human rights.
>> There are plenty of entities in the world in charge of making such 
>> decisions already, efficient or not. So if we really want to add 
>> something of that kind to RIR rules, it should be straight forward 
>> technical wise, not political wise or human rights wise, or whatever 
>> else wise…
>
> Let's talk in simpler way - if government, for any reasons, will 
> shutdown Internet in their country, then it means these guys don't 
> need it and, thus, don't need any resources. Of course, RIR isn't 
> right place to make a decision about human rights violation, but RIR 
> has more precise and technical metrics to decide whether to continue 
> or discontinue operations.
>
> The only I'd suggest to proposal is to support penalties during 
> proposed time OR government's lifetime, i.e. if government changed and 
> then abolished shutdown, there is no need to continue sanctions.
>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Victor Belov
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Volodymyr Litovka 
>> <doka.ua at gmail.com <mailto:doka.ua at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Dmitry,
>>
>>     your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia,
>>     actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not
>>     support sanctions for this.
>>
>>     But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There
>>     are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and
>>     penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if
>>     1st and 2nd options were chosen.
>>
>>     In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody
>>     violates human rights (even if local government don't think so)
>>     or attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react
>>     on this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much
>>     as we can and there is no place for inactivity and passive
>>     observation.
>>
>>     Thanks.
>>
>>     On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
>>>     We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
>>>>     Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a
>>>>     very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face
>>>>     of what I consider human rights abuses.
>>>>     Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they
>>>>     stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>     On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan <tigran at tigran.am>
>>>>>     <mailto:tigran at tigran.am> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств,
>>>>>     это против конкретных правительств.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov <dburk at burkov.aha.ru>
>>>>>     <mailto:dburk at burkov.aha.ru>:
>>>>>     Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good
>>>>>     luck -
>>>>>     очень плохая идея и то - что
>>>>>
>>>>>     я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
>>>>>>     Всем привет!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил.
>>>>>>     Необычное.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01
>>>>>>     <https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the
>>>>>>     order of a government that is either total or partial:
>>>>>>        For a period of 12 months following the end of the
>>>>>>     shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the
>>>>>>     government of the country
>>>>>>        This also applies to all government owned entities and
>>>>>>     entities that have direct provable relationships with said
>>>>>>     government.
>>>>>>        In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall
>>>>>>     not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the
>>>>>>     entities above.
>>>>>>        All sub-allocations of space within said country involving
>>>>>>     the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of
>>>>>>     12 months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such
>>>>>>     shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the
>>>>>>     aforementioned
>>>>>>     entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities
>>>>>>     shall occur for a period of 5 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Ждем реакции сообщества.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     -- 
>>>>>>     Kind regards,
>>>>>>     Sergey Myasoedov
>>>>>>
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