[ENOG discuss] Anti-Shutdown-01

Dmitry Burkov dburk at burkov.aha.ru
Wed Apr 12 13:28:06 CEST 2017


Please , reread Article of Assotiation - we are not in operator's 
bussiness - no more comments.

Before write a word - please, think do not harm.


Sincerely

Dima


On 4/12/17 10:04 AM, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:
>
> Dmitry,
>
> your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, 
> actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support 
> sanctions for this.
>
> But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There are, 
> actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. 
> Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd 
> options were chosen.
>
> In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody violates 
> human rights (even if local government don't think so) or attacks 
> Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on this. 
> Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we can and 
> there is no place for inactivity and passive observation.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
>> We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
>>
>>
>> On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
>>> Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very 
>>> interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I 
>>> consider human rights abuses.
>>> Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they 
>>> stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan <tigran at tigran.am> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это 
>>>> против конкретных правительств.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov <dburk at burkov.aha.ru>:
>>>> Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck -
>>>> очень плохая идея и то - что
>>>>
>>>> я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
>>>>> Всем привет!
>>>>>
>>>>> В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order 
>>>>> of a government that is either total or partial:
>>>>>    For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – 
>>>>> AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country
>>>>>    This also applies to all government owned entities and entities 
>>>>> that have direct provable relationships with said government.
>>>>>    In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not 
>>>>> assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above.
>>>>>    All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the 
>>>>> referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
>>>>>
>>>>> 13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such 
>>>>> shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the 
>>>>> aforementioned
>>>>> entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities 
>>>>> shall occur for a period of 5 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ждем реакции сообщества.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Sergey Myasoedov
>>>>>
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> -- 
> Volodymyr Litovka
>    "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison

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